Now I Understand AA (Thoughts of an Agnostic at Year 35)

By Bruce Q.
I have been active in Alcoholics Anonymous – and sober – for thirty-five years. I have also been a card-carrying agnostic the entire time. These two facts have never been in conflict for me, though AA culture sometimes assumes they could be.
I didn’t come to AA confused about whether I had a problem, or asking if should wait til I’m “much worse,” like liver failure. Step One, as I practiced it, was simply accurate diagnosis: I have alcoholism, and I want recovery. That was why I walked through “that door.” I never dwelled on whether to keep drinking until I qualified for recovery by being gravely ill (rather than just a complete mess.)
I was unaware at the time, but Step Two worked just as cleanly. I didn’t come to believe that God would restore me to sanity; I came to believe – after a handful of meetings attended seriously – that this program could help me. Empirically. Socially. Psychologically. Over the years, I’ve gotten what people could call “miraculous” results from AA in terms of mental health and stability. I use the word miraculous with a smile, but the outcomes are real.
Step Three is where language usually breaks down for people like me. I can’t “turn my will and my life over to God.” But I did turn a great deal of my time, energy, and attention over to AA. I showed up – alot. I never missed my home group. I followed the structure. I accepted correction. I got a sponsor; I read the book. That was my version of letting new paradigms into my life – and it worked.
This raises an obvious question: if AA works so well without theology, why is God-language so central and so persistent?
I think there are several simple, non-mystical answers.
First, most people believe in God. Framing AA in those terms is natural and cognitively easy for them, even if it isn’t for me.
Second, believing that a benevolent intelligence is paying close attention to your life likely reduces free-floating anxiety. If someone else is watching the dashboard, you don’t have to grip the wheel quite so hard.
Third, if you believe God’s help is available, you are open to being reoriented. If you ritualize asking Him for His guidance, you also pause before acting. Whether one calls this placebo, or externalization, doesn’t really matter – the effect is real.
But the fourth point is the most important: sobriety is often about avoiding moments of very bad judgment.
People in recovery don’t usually relapse because of deep philosophical error. They relapse because they walk into a liquor store with a twenty-dollar bill already in their hand.
If, at that moment, they stop to ask, “What is God’s will for me?” the answer is suddenly obvious. No one hears a Divine Voice saying “Buy the vodka.” They hear their own better judgment – just framed in stronger language (it’s the judgment of God.)
To me, they are not hearing God. They are hearing themselves. But crucially, they are not hearing the impulsive self.
I do something similar in a completely secular way. Let’s say I struggle with procrastination. A 3×5 card that says “Don’t procrastinate” is useless. But if I ask, “What would a normal person do?” the answer arrives instantly: that normal person would make a list, do the next three things in order, one per hour, and only then take a break. Asking “What would a normal person do?” or “What would a successful AA member do?” taps into that external judgment just enough to interrupt the loop. It’s Step Three without metaphysics.
For me, I’ve come to think that AA is often misdescribed. A friend was told,, decades ago, “AA is a spiritual program for a physical disease.” That phrase sounds tidy and profound, but it explains almost nothing. What it does – very effectively – is reorganize behavior through social immersion.
And for me, a more accurate description would be: AA is a social program for a physical disease.
How could anyone deny it? You sit in meetings and hear great speakers that you can model yourself on. You sit with someone on your left and someone on your right trying to do the same thing you are doing. You sit in a room with a hundred people aligned in the same direction. You read a book knowing a million other people have read it. You say, “I am an alcoholic,” and a hundred people nod, smile, and assent. You give a talk and thirty people stand in line afterward to say they’re glad you came. You get coffee. You go to the beach with AA friends. You spend Saturdays with AA people.
That isn’t spirituality. That’s belonging.
AA works not because belief intervenes, but because people stop treating their first thought as authoritative – and because they do so in public, with witnesses, repetition, and reinforcement. You bet: God-language is one way to accomplish that pause. Mine is another. Both approaches work when they interrupt impulsive decision-making and replace it with structure.
Which brings me to my favorite AA joke:
AA requires tremendous coordination. I call it mind–foot–butt coordination. Your feet have to take you to the meeting. Your butt has to sit there. Your ears have to listen. Your mind has to pay attention. With all that complexity, no wonder many people don’t make it.
It’s an everyday version of Bill Wilson’s line, “Rarely have we seen anyone fail who has closely followed our path.” Strip away the reverence, and what’s left is not mysticism but compliance – showing up, staying put, listening, and letting something in.
That low bar is not a flaw. It’s the secret of the program.
These wonderful thirty-five years sober aren’t a philosophical argument. They are data. And what they suggest is this: AA doesn’t save people by belief. It saves people by giving them a durable relationship to a group, a program, a path, when their relationship with themselves is broken.
Everything else orbits that center.
Bruce bottomed out in 1990, while working in a technical job in a Boston college. Shaky and demoralized, with a lonely walk-up apartment and a kitchen full of empty bottles, he walked through “that door” and into the college’s Tuesday and Thursday noon AA meetings. Those meetings had a faithful attendance of about a dozen people. His sobriety date is that date, February 7, 1990, when he was 32 years old. Later that year, he relocated to Los Angeles, and he has had a secular home group over the years in L.A., New York, Chicago, and back in L.A. again since 2003. He has many fond memories of 1990s meetings with Charlie P., a founder of agnostic AA in Southern California.
Bruce and his wife have two daughters in their 20s. He enjoys hiking in the hills, long walks at the beach, and exploring the city with their dog Ruckus, who keeps a list of several dog-friendly AA meetings. Recently, age 67, Bruce started taking advantage of another kind of support group, this one for Parkinson’s Disease. For this, he applies a cliche’ he heard somewhere (along the lines of, “Accept the things you cannot change, change the things you can”). And he carries over from AA the learning that he’ll get benefits from that PD group and fellowship in proportion to the time and effort and caring he puts into it.
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Dear Bruce Q.,
Thanks so much for this post. You capture much of what is important to me in understanding how I have managed to stay sober in AA as an atheist. You make such good sense in describing your experience of getting sober in a group of like- minded individuals who have created a strong community and connection.
Thanks for your insightful comments,
Frank B
Portland, ME
Dear Bruce Q. Well said….well put. 77 years this year. Walked into a AA meeting in my early 20’s. Escorting my friend who was in desperate need. It worked. We are both still having Progress. I found my path in Al-Anon. The concepts still guide me and sometimes I share them with Grandchildren. Wonderful programs for All.
Denise in Raleigh
Bill and Bob were chosen to teach us how it works so we don’t clutter the mountain like all of the people on mt everest doing what was already done.
I’m sorry…..the reason AA’s success rate is abysmal is because the secular newcomer comes in the doors and is NOT amongst like minded people. And where’s the sign at the door that says “god here”….”you agnostics have to find your own way”? For the writer and too many more somehow they can tolerate being the outsider. Well congrats. Traditional AA nearly sent me back to drinking. By some “miracle” I discovered AA Agnostic, then the existence of secular AA meetings almost all online. While I actually miss face to face meetings people, I don’t miss their god.
I can only speak for myself. I was lucky. I enjoyed AA for one year and made a lot of progress before finding secular AA (in Los Angeles). I hear your point. Maybe “regular” AA in Boston and Los Angeles both, were less religious than many other places.
“A social program for a physical disease”: that phrase fits my experience very well. I admire the engaging and clear way that you write. Thanks for doing this.
Brilliant, positive essay. This message might be lifesaving for confused, ambivalent prospects and people early in their recovery journeys. Thank you, Bruce. Please keep writing and posting in public places. Ray B.
Great article. Agreed!
I might just make it back through the doors. The AA agnostica articles really touch me. I have let Christianity push me out the doors. Maybe there is hope for me.
Thank you…grateful some of us have had similar experiences. Our timelines and starting with a Tuesday/Thursday meeting (mine coastal NC @ 11am) and back to CA 2005…similar, as well as the ability to put the Christian based language into my own language. I knew I needed help, I heard it in the first meeting, I accepted the help.
So many are not able for whatever reason to do that…& I get it. I still cringe sometimes at traditional A.A. & Al-Anon meetings that “feel like a bible study”, as a newcomer shared with me a couple of weeks ago. For their sake and many to come may secular meetings grow.
I keep going, because I still need reminders, & want to see friends and I occasionally connect with another person not getting all the god talk and really wanting help. I enjoyed your clear expression of how “the pause” helps in changing our behavior, or habits…wants.
Thanks! Teresa in Monterey
So glad you found an in person secular group.
I never have, in December 1990 I found my way to recovery at Kaiser and day one we were told you will never need a God, higher power, 12 steps a sponsor or a big book. It was a two-year program. It worked for me and that’s what has made Alcoholics anonymous so difficult for me to feel comfortable in.
So bummed there are not dozens of LifeRing meetings one can attend.
When I did find an AA home group at eight years sober it was a mens meeting around the corner from my house that had been there for about 20 years.
Basically an Irish Catholic religious AA group.
23 1/2 sober I chaired a meeting at the group on a Wednesday. I mentioned how I was a nonbeliever and about five or six people that I called on to speak all said the same thing you need to pray to God.
I rarely went to meetings because of the God talk.
Heck, we had three priests and one professor of theology from the university of Santa Clara.
Anyways, I relapsed 36 hours later.
My drinking never got that bad.
It was the obsession that drove me crazy.
Anyways, got back into AA in 2017 stayed 4 1/2 years was finally asked to keep my opinions to myself related to not believing in God or a higher power.
That was February 2023 I found my way to a Meditation meeting for all forms of recovery. Did that for 2 1/2 years?
Time to get back to Recovery dharma and there is one in person LifeRing meeting 25 minutes from my house once a week same night as the recovery dharma meeting 😖
There is a handful of people in AA that I really connected with, but the god stuff keeps me away. I believe in self empowerment with the help of others.
Bruce you are one lucky man to have secular aa meetings in your area and thank you for your writing.
Self empowerment indeed. Taking full responsibility for the decisions I make on my own. Learning from the consequences; good, bad or indifferent. From a community that tells me to interpret its suggestions so they can guide me successfully, I leave the rest behind. That includes worshipping a god. The power greater than myself comes from the fellowship of relatable people. Practically every one of us is truly trying to become the best version of ourselves, regardless of the road we travel to get there.
Totally, I always knew that I had a problem with alcohol and drugs and I was insane. During my first meeting a thought crossed my mind: this people can help me, that was my second step, there was a solution. My third step therefore was; i am going to let them help me, I will follow their advice. I will be 40 years sober this coming January, I am an atheist and always will be, one of many in the program. I speak out at meetings when somebody implies that you have to believe in god to get sober, you need to work the steps, you, not god.
Excellent, Bruce! A very good demystification of AA, and an insightful humanist approach. Thanks for your no-nonsense application of AA concepts and principles.
Thank you Bruce for articulating such a helpful view of the Steps.
After 41 years of sobriety the notion that some abstract energy is required for me getting and staying sober is simply silly. What I embrace is not romanticizing my drinking. I fully accept that if I want a life absent from the horrors of drinking I must fully accept the truth of my drinking. The “one is too many” if factual for me and remembering that and is not a “spiritual” gift or awakening.
Finding the various secular (globally) sobriety groups was and is a wonderful community that has provided me with joy and thank you Bruce for being part of that growing community.
Thank you !
I thoroughly enjoyed reading this well written, honest and insightful article. As a fellow atheist, you articulated so much of what I believe. While I do not attend many meetings anymore, I love reading articles like this and am so grateful for secular AA literature and meetings. Thank-you for sharing your story with us!
Thanks,
Great read for a Monday morning.
I will quote something a fellow atheist comrade of mine with over 40 years sobriety says: He has never seen or experienced God in an AA meeting but has always encountered healed people helping to heal others. This too has been true for me, I have been given the opportunity to live my life without a need to use Alcohol to deal with existence.I take responsibility for all my actions today both good and not too clever without the belief in a supernatural interventionist deity. I have been living this way now for nearly 21 years (I’m nearly an adult)🥳.
Happy x-mas too all non believers and (believers).
Cheers
David
Thank you, Bruce Q. Spot on. Just what I needed. Validation of AA. It is refreshing to remember the AA program can still be inclusive, and include people like me. I was born and raised an atheist. I was fortunate to have found the AA program in my time of desperation and crisis resulting from a lifetime of alcohlic jackpots, in the 80s, at 29 years of age. My journey began in Toledo, Ohio at the Downtown group. The group was formed in the early days of AA. No one told me I had to believe in a god or religion. Bill W. and Dr. Bob were still human, flaws and all. Speaker meetings with lots of fellowship were the norm. In fact, using the word god was frowned upon because of potentially scaring away newcomers. It was a personal matter. Books were read at home, not as dogmatic treatises in group settings. As the years passed, I moved to the east coast. AA meetings became more influenced by treatment centers, therapeutic experts on alcoholism and religious zealots. A few years ago, I found my way to secular AA. It was such a relief. As time passed, though, I found the secular meetings were often about what’s wrong with AA, while replacing the AA literature with the latest therapeutic experts. I realized I need balance. I still practice an AA program of action I learned in my early days in Toledo, Ohio all these years. I understand that AA literature, written by humans, are just guidelines. I do not interpet the books as a strict constructionist or as an originalist. I have my own pragmatic understanding of the literature. I find spirituality equates to a humanistic ethical way of llving through both universalism and relativism truths.These days, I have found my way back to my basics. I carefully choose my meetings. Living Sober book meetings are practical action oriented and secular meetings on what works, not what doesn’t. The book Beyond Belief has been priceless. I still find the Hazelton Twenty Four Hours a Day helpful. I still skip the god sections. As for the “Big Book” I was raised on the 3rd edition stories and the first 167 pages. I still haven’t gotten to the 4th edition. These pragmatic daily reminders , through these books and meetings, regarding alcoholic thinking and behavior helps maintain my own brand of AA cognitive behavior therapy.
My life has included the hippie years, the disco queen era, and life among those from Yale to jail, a university education, a law degree and a PhD, abt, in philosophy of adult education. At 67 years of age I am fortunate to have a wonderful life in retirement. I have an amazing GenZ daughter. I’m still living sober, with my brand of AA.
Loved the article, so relatable. Thank you!
Rather than another reason to retain the irrelevant, sexist, etc.,1930’s AA literature this offers a sound basis for reforming the anachronistic language of The Big Book. It’s a simple thing to admit this is a very fair explanation of how to igonre AA is hypocritically written but far too complicated for a simple daily practice. Very few newcomers hear anything but Charlie Browns parents here. I know. I’ve tried this approach a 1000 times with newcomers who are not religious in the least and a silent majority. Their reaction is universal. “Well then, why don’t you just say that”? To which I can only reply; ” AA leadership is a sclerotic bureaucracy like everything else in our country right now.”
It takes courage to acknowledge change is neccessary and constant.
Scott d 38 years
exactly!
I enjoyed this very much. Not preachy. Not judgmental. Just things as they are, seen through a matter-of-fact prism but allowing for those who choose a mystic path for structure/worldview. I know I need structure/order to stay on the straight and narrow. Even simple things like making the bed every morning adds some “feel good”/Zen to my day. Can’t explain it. Don’t want to. That it works for me is what is key.
from Bruce. Thanks to all for the feedback. This solved a puzzle in Appendix II – [Almost all] our members find an “unsuspected inner resource” [that is] a power greater than themselves…God [Consciousness]. OK, if I was being helped by a power greater than msyelf, e.g. God, I would have to call that an OUTER resource, not an INNER one!!! Yet the language is never questioned – that “voice within.” Nearly everyone can easily answer “What would a normal person do?” (Put the $20 in your pocket and walk straight out of this liquor store this instant.) If you can’t answer “What would a normal person do?” …you probably have that severe mental disorder or incapacity to be honest of Chapter 5.
One thing I couldn’t fit in the essay, looking back at my first month or two, I found two things in AA I already “liked.” (You find what YOU like, these were mine). (1) I like avoiding pain – sure – but I really glued that idea to AA; AA will help me avoid pain, super-glue those two things together. (2) And, it’s a cliche’ that certain people refuse all help, but look, I generally LIKE getting help – Triple-A jump start my car, I love it! Tennis lessons, really fun! Best doctor to really help my bad shoulder, and so on. So I super-glued an idea I already had, “I actually LIKE getting help” to AA, too.
Hi Bruce Q.
Thank you for a well-written article! I relate or as they say in my country, identify, with almost everything you said. I live in a highly religious country, predominantly Christian. So, when you enter an AA meeting, it is assumed you are religious and treated as such.
Fortunately for me, I was able to tolerate the god-stuff without too many problems. Alcohol had beaten me to a pulp, so I was ready for any help. When I made it clear from the onset that I do not believe in god, everybody was aghast. They couldn’t believe it. Fortunately for you, you were lucky to find a secular group in your early sobriety. The one and only group in my country, South Africa, was created when I was already 28 years sober in AA. I became a regular there. Few months later I formed a secular group in 2018 in Soweto. Unfortunately, the original group died after Covid-19. We are left with this only one. I am still a regular attendee at traditional AA meetings. I never stopped attending them even though I was going to Secular AA. Everyone knows I am not for the god-stuff. I don’t pray at the end of meetings. Sometimes I just walk out during prayer. I sincerely hope one day “sanity” will prevail and another Secular group will spring up.
Jabu Ku.
South Africa
By the way, I forgot to mention that I am now 36 years sober. From Jabu Ku.