To What Extent Do We Tolerate the Religious in Secular AA?

By John M.

The world has been enchanted for a very long time. It’s not supposed to be this way, as we were told quite a long time ago by theories of secularization. According to these theories, after the scientific revolutions of the 17th and 18th centuries, the realm of the supernatural was expected to have “died” for modern men and women. Natural law and the clear light of reason were anticipated to emerge victorious.

Jason Ānanda Josephson Storm’s, The Myth of Disenchantment: Magic, Modernity, and the Birth of the Human Sciences, demonstrates how mystical the world’s thinking still is. One striking statistic he presents is that approximately three-quarters of Americans believe in ghosts, telepathy, witches, demonic possession, or something similar.

Today, religious individuals are quite pleased with the fact that secular societies have not fully separated themselves from religion. This sentiment is particularly strong in Alcoholics Anonymous.

Perhaps, though, it’s closer to the truth that our religious members are simply much more vocal than the rest of the membership in asserting that the mysterious and miracle-working God of their understanding is truly the only one that has ever held credibility in AA.

Regardless of whether it’s the overwhelming majority of AA believers or a small group’s unwavering enthusiasm, the non-believer is constantly confronted with the undeniable fact that AA’s ambiguous relationship with religion is deeply ingrained in the very foundation of the program, from its inception!

I once spent some time counting the number of times the terms “Higher Power” and “a Power/power greater than ourselves” were used in the Big Book. My initial reading of the Big Book had led me to think of various naturalistic and secular ways a “power greater than me” could be used. Had I missed or repressed all this “Higher Power” stuff?

No, it turns out I hadn’t because the Big Book only mentions “Higher Power” twice, while “a power greater than ourselves” or “myself” is used 23 times. (Higher Power is frequently used in the 12 & 12, published 14 years after the Big Book.)

So, here I was, a relatively new member of Alcoholics Anonymous, ready to share (or correct) anyone who would listen that the concept of a “power greater than” should be the orthodox approach and therefore a secular power is easily conceived. I explained that “Higher Power” was merely an expression that gained traction within the fellowship over time, similar to how “disease” attained acceptance over time with the fellowship but is used only once in the Big Book as a metaphor, referring to “spiritual disease.”

The sole problem with my line of reasoning was that the term “God” appeared an inordinate number of times in the Big Book. So much for a convincing argument gesturing toward a secular approach!

Drat! Who cares to admit complete defeat? A Higher Power, though not literally spelled out more than twice in the Big Book, was otherwise referenced as “God” on almost every page of that God-intoxicated text!

So, I learned early in my sobriety that there’s no way around the “religion debate” in AA.

Naturally, as secular groups began to form and establish our autonomy within AA as outlined in the 12 Traditions, the debates seem to have grown exponentially, aided, of course, by the Internet.

Lately, I’ve been spending more and more time reading numerous posts and responses on both secular and traditional AA websites.

On the secular sites, the debates, mostly among ourselves, often revisit the issue of how to handle our fellow recovering alcoholics whose AA message has taken on a distinctly religious (usually Christian) tone. Still, it’s been my experience that secular members online generally respect everyone’s right to use their own religious beliefs to stay sober. Ultimately, all recovery is a cause for celebration!

Most secularists simply advise our religious members against imposing their beliefs on us. Regarding AA’s traditional literature, many online respondents often just say, “take what you like and leave the rest behind.” Other individuals say they “translate” the religious language found in AA into social scientific or natural scientific concepts. They also note that they “de-God” (or “degawd,” if you prefer) the God-language in the Big Book, the 12 & 12, and other AA literature to essentially “save” the text from its supernatural leanings. Finally, there is a good core of recovered alcoholics who simply don’t read any of the literature, don’t follow the Steps, and don’t “work” the program. For them, the community of their fellow alcoholics is what got them sober and helped them recover.

So, at what point do we decide whether to complain about or disregard the religious aspects of AA or wherever else we encounter religious beliefs in the individuals we read, listen to, or interact with? I’ll mention one of our recovered secular alcoholics (with tons of sobriety) who is quite open about his disdain for the religious elements of AA. Recently, he expressed that he still holds a great deal of respect and admiration for the Christian poets, John Donne and William Blake. At what point, however, does he cut these two authors “some slack” regarding their religious beliefs but nevertheless he is unable to do the same with AA literature? (I’m intrigued about this, by the way, and not at all judgmental.)

I’m particularly curious about how secular individuals cope with the religious aspects of AA. What are the boundaries that permit the disregard of religious elements, such as “filtering” out religious discussions to extract beneficial principles, even though the concept of God is mentioned? Yet, is there a point where the religious content in AA becomes poisonous to the overall message?

To further examine the concept of secular toleration for religious expression in Alcoholics Anonymous, I propose a thought experiment or perhaps a “litmus test” to identify what religious content is deemed unacceptable by certain individuals and what can be considered harmless and irrelevant. This approach would allow for the appreciation of other basic principles and values, regardless of the religious context. For instance, in the works of poets like John Donne and William Blake, or any other religious poet one likes, what aspects of their poetry can be cherished and appreciated without considering their theological beliefs?

The “litmus test” I want to use is an extract from a sermon that appears in a film many of you may have seen called A River Runs Through It. It’s based on a semi-autobiographical story by Norman Maclean about growing up in early 20th-century Montana with his younger brother, mother, and Presbyterian minister father. His younger brother, Paul, an alcoholic and gambling addict,* shares a love for fly-fishing with their father, and much of the story revolves around their shared passion for fishing, the grandeur of the great outdoors, and reflections on the brothers’ aspirations for their futures.

[Spoiler alert] Tragically, by the story’s end, Paul is brutally beaten to death and the final scenes delve into how Norman, his mother, and father grapple with making sense of Paul’s life and death.

The part of the film that particularly captivates me is an extract from the movie featuring a sermon preached by their minister father sometime after Paul’s murder. I was deeply moved by the poignancy of the extract when I first watched the Robert Redford-directed film and recall having essentially the same question that I will pose for you after presenting the father’s text below:

Each one of us here today will at one time in our lives look upon a loved one who is in need and ask the same question: We are willing to help, Lord, but what, if anything, is needed? For it is true we can seldom help those closest to us.

Either we don’t know what part of ourselves to give or, more often than not, the part we have to give is not wanted. And so it is those we live with and should know who elude us.

But we can still love them – we can love completely without complete understanding.

So, here’s my question: is this a religious address? It’s from a sermon delivered by a Presbyterian minister on a Sunday morning in a church to a congregation of Christian worshippers. The word “God” is mentioned only once, and referred to as “Lord.” However, a significant portion of the text could be interpreted without the specific context of a Christian church on a Sunday morning.

Still, for the sake of comparing AA to this homily, let’s assume that this passage is indeed religious, given its Christian setting during a Sunday morning service.

If we consider Alcoholics Anonymous as a whole, this short scene, I’ll admit, has some limitations in comparison. The Big Book, as we know, employs a substantial amount of “God-language,” while this short homily uses “Lord,” only once. Given the sheer number of times God is referenced in the Big Book, it is obvious to many of us that the Big Book is at least a quasi-religious text, even though AA itself claims to be spiritual, not religious. Yet, this address is more of an open question regarding its apparent religiosity.

So why do I still want to compare the Big Book and this homily? I believe what distinguishes them is what makes them different.

When comparing the Big Book (or even just the 12 Steps) with the minister’s sermon from the film, the Big Book clearly outlines its otherworldly and transcendent belief structure by asserting that “probably no human power could have relieved us of our alcoholism” and “that God could and would if He were sought.” (And these are just two of many such assertions about God’s power throughout AA literature.)

The message in the sermon, however, emphasizes the human-centred and interpersonal nature of helping, indicating that it comes from other people or loved ones (if accepted). This perspective could be presented by almost any secular professional in the counselling community.

Despite the contrasting sizes of AA literature and this short homily, comparing these two sources side by side highlights something else crucial about what secularists, I suspect, will tolerate (or not) when confronted with a religiously saturated text or community.

Many texts are intentionally structured with ambiguities, and “tensions” between contrasting terms are common in literature. For instance, consider the 12 Steps. We have God contrasted with men and women; the power of God contrasted with human power; God’s will versus human will; and God’s perfection compared to human defects and shortcomings.

So, it may not be the sheer frequency of mentions of God or a Higher Power in the Steps, the Big Book, or other AA literature that matters, but rather the fact that in the “tension” between contrasting terms, God simply (and infuriatingly, for us) overpowers the human realm. God becomes the supreme term in the text, overshadowing the simple human concepts of responsibility, will, agency, and the act of helping others. While human power to act and the notion of responsibility are certainly present in the Big Book, people are ultimately overshadowed by the divine and subsumed under the authority of God’s transcendent majesty and mystery. Religious metaphysics dominates the all-too-human existential reality of people living out their lives in families, groups, and communities.

The Big Book both suggests and trivializes making the group one’s higher power by asserting, “[s]urely you can have faith in them [the group]. Even this minimal will be enough.” Secularists, however, understand that in much of 20th-century philosophy and psychology, interpersonal, existential relationships, such as mutual recognition and reciprocity between people, or the necessity to be “seen” and “affirmed,” are the very essence of human well-being and should not be downplayed or minimized.

It’s easier to live with the supernatural beliefs of a religious text when it accurately portrays the dynamics of interpersonal relationships as the result of human agency rather than divine will or God’s direct intervention. By decentering God and focusing on the human, a text becomes more straightforward for us to justify its other positive qualities, such as making amends, overcoming resentments, and helping others, etc.

Coupled with the action of “de-Godding” the text, this is how those of us defending the merits of the Big Book and other AA literature are able to “save” the program for a secular approach while simultaneously defending it even from our fellow atheist and agnostic skeptics who, at times, appear unwilling to “cut AA some slack.”

We do, however, understand our fellow secular skeptics and empathize with their perspective. Many of them affirm that they achieved sobriety without resorting to the Steps and the Big Book. Instead, they found solace and support in the fellowship, where they engaged in mutual assistance with fellow alcoholics and friends, which played a crucial role in their recovery.

It seems to me that the closer the alcoholic approaches the existential, interpersonal, and profoundly grounded essence of humanism, the more deeply rooted and realistic he or she becomes, which has consistently proven to be the cornerstone of any successful recovery program, including traditional AA (viewed from a secular perspective, that is).

Perhaps that’s the rawest testimony about the underlying effectiveness of secular Alcoholics Anonymous: the closer you get to the existential focus of person-to-person interaction and alcoholics staying grounded and focused on very real human capacities, not only do we recover, but the more patient we become with the religious orientation of traditional AA.

The only exception to this patience and tolerance is with the AA dogmatists who threaten and harangue our fellow alcoholics with the lie that they can’t get sober, and stay sober, without God.

This is especially so when we come across the newcomer to sobriety who desperately wants to get sober, is afraid of relapsing, and terrified of a future without alcohol. They’re vulnerable, and fragile, and easily intimidated in early sobriety. The last thing a non-believing newcomer needs to hear is that recovery from their alcoholism is dependent on a belief in God. In short, it’s just another thing to scare someone out of an AA meeting and back into their alcoholism.

The “vulnerable” individuals should always be the focus of why we secularists resist the religious bias present in AA literature and counter the proselytizers trying to evangelize their one-dimensional message in the rooms of AA. That sin against the spirit, in Christian parlance, is unforgivable!


Please note that I don’t believe there can be an objective answer to the title of this article. How an atheist or an agnostic tolerates religious expression is highly subjective and depends on numerous factors. I’m simply sharing my impressions of what others in both secular and traditional AA formats have conveyed about religious expression within the fellowship over the nearly 18 years of my sobriety.

* It’s more apparent in the novella than in the film that Paul has major problems with alcohol and gambling.


John is 71 and got sober in 2007 at the age of 54. Twenty-one days at the Renascent Treatment Centre in Toronto kickstarted his journey of continuous sobriety into the present day. He really only took AA seriously when he heard speaker after speaker say that they never felt comfortable in their own skin long before they took their first drink. In John’s opinion, the key to both physical and emotional sobriety is the acknowledgement in the Big Book: “Our liquor was but a symptom. So we had to get down to causes and conditions.” (p. 64).

John served as a General Service Representative (GSR) for his first home group and then for his secular home group, which he and a few others started north of Toronto in 2012.

He has written a few articles for AA Agnostica over the years and is always happy to support this website.


For a PDF of today’s article, click here: To What Extent Do We Tolerate the Religious in Secular AA.


 

20 Responses

  1. Michael O. says:

    I would like to thank aaagnostica for these weekly readings. I don’t struggle with the religious aspects of AA meetings but how the members express them onto me. Reading this weekly helps me better understand that my path is not the wrong way. But the way that works best for me in my recovery.

    • John M. says:

      Thanks for your response, Michael. You just confirmed what I briefly mentioned in my article, that we all need to be “affirmed” by others, at times, in our recovery to know that we’re on a good, healthy path. You appear to be, and that never fails to make the rest of us happy.

      Let’s keep doing what were doing!

  2. FRED V W says:

    Good thoughts as usual. I struggle at every meeting with God Talk. I often close my eyes, tone out a particular share and inwardly plead “help me! Help me!”. As was touched on with newcomers and if one looks at the overall success rate of AA, we scare away more needy alcoholics than we help. The bible thumpers have to be put in their places in my opinion if AA is every going to get out of 1939. AA is NOT a spiritual program as it stands in every group I’ve been in. AA should be ashamed at itself, not the program but the leadership.

    • John M. says:

      Thanks for your passionate remarks, Fred. One often hears at meetings to stick with the winners. That always seemed odd to me since we are not supposed to judge another’s “program,” so how would we know the winners from the “losers”?

      So, I’ll just say, “stick with your secular brothers and sisters” and, like Michael from the previous comment, we’ll all affirm each other’s path as the one that feels right for each of us.

    • John M. says:

      Hi Robert, yes, I get it. There are some days where the last thing I want to do is read a lengthy article. Enjoy the rest of the day!

  3. Doug L. says:

    I always “de-god” the texts in my head, recognizing that the term “god” is simply a handy label or metaphor for the mystery of all that is unknowable and transcends our human reality, as Joseph Campbell described it.

    My big problem, as I think you were getting at, is with those who emphasize a personal conception of god, and feel that they must beseech him to keep them sober. I can recognize my powerless over alcohol once I let it into my life, without believing I need any supernatural fairy godfather to keep me from picking up the first drink. All I need is my higher self, my program, and my fellowship. Those have worked for me for twelve years, at any rate, one day at a time.

    Finally, Bill W. himself was so wonderfully schizophrenic about this that he gave me all the proof I need: 1) first, he suggested that when all else fails, helping another alcoholic is the most powerful tool in our toolbox, and 2) he chose to date the founding of AA NOT from his “white light” experience at Townes Hospital, but by the date he met Dr. Bob. Human power indeed!

    • John M. says:

      Well said, Doug. The Beatles sang, “All you need is love,” and I still like that. And you said; “All I need is my higher self, my program, and my fellowship.” And that ain’t bad either!

      The last paragraph you wrote nicely sums up my entire piece.

      Thanks for your comments and observations.

  4. Richard Clark says:

    In my life, I have focussed my efforts on trying to fathom the human condition since I was about twelve. I am sometimes surprised by how delicately many of us dance about being ‘kind and gentle’ when disagreeing with the horrors and abuses of religions and God-believers. Within the arrogance of many believers is the centuries-old attitude that “religion is sacred” and not to be criticized. The anxiety we have about criticizing religion and God-beliefs is because of the centuries-old power of the church to punish and torture non-believers. The Inquisition taught us if you don’t believe our version of God we will kill you.

    Religious violence and lies have been imposed upon frightened people since the dark ages. What we are to be aware of is so many ‘modern’ people are so insecure they still believe these lies and justify the abuses of religion. But then, I’m not really surprised. I know how this is accomplished within the different faiths—maybe I’ll write a post on this someday.

    In modern AA there’s the increasing divide between religious and secular meetings. The separation is good, we need it. The guideline for sharing and what’s to be accepted or not, is respect for the other view. My choice is I do not attend God-higher power meetings. Occasionally a lost and confused new person wanders into our secular group and their confusion about God-or-not is respected; no harm, no foul. However, occasionally, some hard-core religious type attends and proselytizes the ‘We Agnostics’ message—if we don’t find God it’s hopeless. To these people, whenever I can, I always ask why they are deliberately rude and don’t respect other’s opinions.

    Jews or Christians don’t go to the other faith’s services trying to convert them. There is a certain respect between faiths. My dignity and self-respect as an atheist—a thinking rational person committed to truth—requires me to protect myself form the insults and arrogance of religion and I insist on being treated with respect.

    • John M. says:

      Thanks as always for your observations and commentary, Richard. As usual, you end with a last paragraph rich in wisdom and resolve.

  5. Anonymous says:

    People unable to moderate their drinking can STOP on a non-spiritual basis IF they haven’t lost the power of choice in drink (Big Book at 34). Those folks have dozens of treatment options. Not my situation. Page 34 explains why so many people in AA can stay sober without the Steps. You don’t have to BELIEVE anything or DO anything to be an AA member. There’s no requirement of belief in God. The key word in Step Two is “Power” not “believe.” If belief was the key, we’d never have an alcoholic priest or minister. “Lack of power, that was our dilemma” (Big Book at 45). It doesn’t say lack of belief or lack of God was our dilemma. Step Two DOESN’T say we came to believe in God. It says we came to believe THAT (not “in”) a Power greater than ourselves could restore us to sanity. “First of all, we had to quit PLAYING God” (Big Book at 62). It doesn’t say we had to quit drinking first, because alcoholics don’t have the Power to do that. Lots of people who don’t believe in God still PLAY God. Take the Steps, you’ll be contacted. A spiritual awakening is THE result of the Steps. It’s not a possibility. It’s an inevitability. There’s not a single sentence in Big Book’s 575 pages telling the alcoholic how to stop drinking (because they don’t have the Power to do that). The Book explains to the alcoholic how to live on a spiritual basis. The Steps don’t lead to a secular experience. That’s what we had when we couldn’t keep from drinking.

    • John M. says:

      Thank you, Anonymous, for some of your great insights and especially how these worked for you and how they can work for others. Your final sentences, however, seem to be an attempt to impose your metaphysics on me: “The Steps don’t lead to a secular experience. That’s what we had when we couldn’t keep from drinking.” And you’ll know, from MY final sentence in my article, what I think about that.

      Still, let me just clarify a little more. My life is full of meaning, purpose, love and joy. For me, that’s what a secular decision to live what’s left of my time on earth entails. And yes, recovery brought me this awareness, and a profound respect and fondness for others that I didn’t fully feel when I was living alcoholically for most of my life.

      If this is what a spiritual experience and existence means to you, that’s wonderful, and I’m fully appreciative of your desire to call it that. I just don’t name it that when talking about my own post-sobriety existence.

      If there is something else you think I need to have a fuller “spiritual” awakening, well we’ll just have to say that we don’t understand one another on this. But remember, we can still love (or respect each other) completely, without complete understanding!

  6. Doc says:

    I got sober in 1969. I came into AA as an atheist and my sobriety has strengthened my atheism. For the most part I just ignore the “god stuff” and look for the underlying principles of sobriety, such as honesty and humility. In my own path of sobriety, I have rejected several of the steps completely.

    • John M. says:

      Thanks so much for your comments, Doc. Underlying principles like humility and honesty are the very essence of recovery and a great basis for building a post-alcoholic life as you would know from getting sober in 1969.

      For me, that’s wonderfully “inconceivable.” You must have been a fairly young person in ’69. I knew that I was an alcoholic in the mid-70’s but the thought of living a life without ever drinking again was truly terrifying and absolutely unimaginable.

      Good for you, and a profound statement that sobriety has only strengthened your atheism.

  7. Nick G. says:

    In my 48+ years of continuous sobriety as an atheist, I find my tolerance for the religious minded recovering alcoholics tested the most when their insecurity manifests an evangelical expression. I believe they are threatened by my secularism and feel the need to “pull rank” by quoting the many phrases in the Big Book detailing the preeminence of God in the literature. Sometimes they express this in general to the group, and sometimes they feel the need to address me personally. I am not threatened by their beliefs, but I worry about the newcomers who are confused and looking for help and acceptance. In my early sobriety my “higher power” was the AA group and the life-force I was unable to extinguish through drinking. I have come to no refinement of those beliefs after 48 years, so I guess I’m still good. I am not an evangelical atheist. I preach to no one. But I will state my beliefs when I see new members so that they know there are other paths in sobriety that do not require belief in God.

    • John M. says:

      Nick, thanks for your response. When I was thinking about what conclusions might be drawn from my article regarding how or why we can be patient and/or tolerant with the religious messaging we get from some folks in AA, I was thinking that the stronger our secularism, the more patient we can be.

      You, on the other hand, bring up an important point about the possible motivation of some AA religious believers — they may proselytize not from strength but from insecurity and weakness. What a great insight! I’m going to have to do a lot more thinking about this.

      And you mention that you are always concerned about the newcomer and their quite legitimate need of acceptance and help when confronted/bullied by the religious dogmatist. That, of course, is a huge reason why secularists (and our groups) are needed in AA .

      Thanks again for your insights and observations.

  8. Syd says:

    Thank you for this article. I have 52 years continuous sobriety (and WFPB vegan that long.) The author gets close to my tolerance for the AA program; I saw it in my Mom, who died of alcoholism. She wore her Christian practice lightly, always recognizing good qualities in humans first. My philosophy as a secular member of AA, is that humans yearn for some kind of magic or mystic perfection and seek it in fantasy, especially where gurus take advantage and control whole groups of people with fear. I do love the Jains in India. Where else do humans honor the beauty and wisdom of non-human beings?

    • John M. says:

      Thanks for your response, Syd. You bring up a point that I have thought about regarding “nominal” believers in AA since I started attending almost 18 years ago. When a few of us started our secular group, Widening Our Gateway, in 2012, I was always a bit surprised why so many of our friends from other traditional groups did not, at least, visit us once in a while. Some did, most did not.

      There are, of course, a number of possible reasons why they didn’t but I always suspected that one reason was that deep down inside they wanted to hear about the “magic” of recovery and that, even though they would hear that hard work is required for sobriety, they still (unconsciously?) held out hope that the “miraculous” would happen for them. (And many of these I would identify as “nominal” believers, not the hard core “true believers.”)

      The “miracle, mystery, and authority” that the writer Dostoyevsky thought many people seek (or at least some aspect of their psyches) is closer to what alcoholics will get in traditional AA than in our secular groups. And this is what you observe in your comment about how people “yearn for some kind of magic or mystic perfection and seek it in fantasy….”

      I started my article with the observation that it seems we still live in an “enchanted world,” and I think you tap into this and point out how we “seek it in fantasy.” I guess it’s no surprise that super hero movies have made as much money as they have over the last number of years.

      Thanks again for your input, Sid.

      • bob k says:

        One guy came to the Richmond Hill group religiously—if you’ll pardon the expression. Like Jake and Elwood Blues, he was on a mission from God. For the most part, those who find salvation in conventional AA are reluctant to listen to anything that questions their newfound condition.

        Thanks for a thoughtful essay.

        • John M. says:

          Yes, Bob, you were a regular Brother Love Travelling Salvation Show helping to keep our new secular group alive and running. Always appreciated your support especially coming all that way each week.

          It’s understandable that some folks don’t want to mess with what worked for them. You and I certainly experienced that at Toronto Intergroup meetings trying to get the banned groups, Beyond Belief and We Agnostics, reinstated — there was genuine fear expressed about secularizing the Steps (as well as just plain old fashioned self-righteousness).

          Glad to see your book of daily readings doing so well. It’s takes quite a commitment and effort to see that through to fruition.

          Good to hear from you, Bob.

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