AA Then and Now
By Mick S.
I’m sure my experience with AA is not totally unique but it’s probably a little unusual.
In short, I spent a decade sober in AA in the 60’s and 70’s, then drank for 22 years before returning to AA in 1999. So I have now enjoyed 25 years of continual sobriety.
By the benchmark of “Once having taken a drink, I cannot guarantee my consumption or my behaviour” I have been an alcoholic from my first drink at the age of 15. I am the son of alcoholics and if you shake my family tree bottles will fall from many branches. Whether my alcoholism stems from genetics or environment is an interesting topic for discussion but really quite irrelevant.
I made my first contact with AA in 1966, aged 19, and got sober at 20. This was in the Goulburn Valley area of Victoria, Australia. The first AA member I met was known to me, being the father of boys with whom I’d gone to a Catholic school. I had to stop myself from calling him “Mister”.
The AA which I encountered was very big on fellowship, less so on program. The advice (and example) offered to the newcomer was simple and direct.
The FIRST step was in fact to accept unreservedly that one was an alcoholic and could not take the first drink. The “One day at a time” mantra was emphasized and stressed that if a day was too long one should break it down to shorter periods or simply get another member on the phone. (Early on there were simply no mobile phones and not every home had a landline).
The next step was to get to meetings. Our home city of Shepparton had one meeting a week and there were meetings most nights in surrounding country towns within an hour or so drive. Often a country town group consisted of one person who, on a designated night, would open up the church hall and wait for visitors to arrive, and usually they did. So a meeting could also consist of a meeting in the car on the way to the meeting and again on the way home. Often the “meeting after the meeting” would adjourn to the local member’s kitchen until the small hours of the morning.
One was further advised to make amends to those one had harmed, with family being a priority.
Initially I was by far the youngest but over the years other young people joined the group and we would make up a carload and drive the 2 ½ hours to Melbourne ( the state capital) to attend the young people’s group, drink coffee and talk in coffee lounges for hours and race back up the highway to be home for work in the morning. We were young, sober and enjoying life.
The religious views of the members seemed to represent a microcosm of the greater community. Some were believers, many were nominally Christians but non practising and a few were non theist though the term atheist was rarely used. Most meetings closed with The Serenity Prayer but I, and I suspect most others, regarded this as a commendable thought process rather than a plea for divine intervention. The “Lord’s Prayer” has never been a part of Australian AA culture. At meetings the Big Book was on the table and the banners on the wall but discussion was more about practical matters and strategies for a life without alcohol. A lot of the people were at best semi- literate so reading and philosophizing was of little interest.
After 10 years of this my life was good. Whilst an earlier (far too young) marriage had failed I had remarried to the woman who is my wife today, moved to Melbourne and had a small and successful business. The only problem was that I was busy. People to see, places to go, money to earn. Before too long I was thinking of myself simply as somebody who chose not to drink instead of an alcoholic who couldn’t drink, and I just didn’t have time for the AA meetings.
Of course, the inevitable happened and I did drink. I think there was something in the back of my mind telling me that if this was a major problem, I could always head back to AA. Predictably and spectacularly, it was a problem and, yes, I did make my way back to AA. The flaw in my plan was that it took 22 years to find my way back to AA in 1999.
I do not propose to deal with those 22 years here other than to say that I am very fortunate to still be here and that my survival is largely due to the support of my wife with whom I celebrated 48 years of marriage this year. This is the woman who met and married me as a sober person in AA with no alcoholism in her family background or experience and when I drank she found herself married to a man she’d never met.
At about 3:00 AM on February 24th, 1999, I awoke from a fitful sleep with an overpowering sense of impending doom and a moment of total clarity that my life was at a crossroads like none I had experienced before. Everything that I held dear was balancing on a knife edge: marriage, sanity, finances, health, even life itself. Later that morning I contacted each of my 6 children to seek their forgiveness and support in the action I was about to take which was to re-engage with AA and again seek sobriety.
I started attending meetings and bit by bit the fog lifted. I really don’t think I took too much notice of what was actually happening or being said in the meetings and simply maintained my resolve to refrain from drinking one day at a time. However, I soon became aware of an emphasis on spiritual matters which was foreign to me. When I examined my attitudes to this, I realized that I had over the years moved from a general dislike of my Catholic school years to what I realized was atheism. I could find not one trace of evidence, let alone proof, of the existence of a deity. Not all, but many of the meetings I attended preached a doctrine of “Believe or Begone” and would quote the egregious Chapter 4 of the Big Book to those who would resist their religiosity. I was also counselled to “Fake it till I Make it”, usually right after being told that this was a program of rigorous honesty. (And I seemed to be the only one in the room who saw the irony in this.)
As time passed, I became more open about my atheism and more likely to confront those who harangued the newcomer with their “You’ll never get sober without God” nonsense. And I was now angry because of the number of people I saw being driven away from AA by the cultish and dogmatic attitudes of the fundamentalists. Going to meetings was becoming a chore for which I had less and less appetite.
At about this time I began to hear about something called “Secular AA” in the USA and even of a couple of meetings in Australia. In 2018 my wife and I holidayed in North America and I attended the International Secular AA Convention in Toronto.
“Life Changing experience” is a cliché, but that’s what it was. From feeling marginalized in Australia to agreeing with several hundred like-minded people at the International Conference of Secular AA (ICSAA) in Toronto was incredible. Shortly before my Toronto visit, I had met Helen M who’d started a secular meeting at Kawana, on Queensland’s Sunshine Coast. Helen had encountered a lot of push backs trying to get her meeting listed and even when she did open her meeting the harassment from local AA traditionalists forced her to close the meeting due to fears for her safety. Upon my return from North America we joined forces and started the Bulimba Freethinkers Secular Meeting. Helen’s tormentors paid us a visit but upon finding a male (a 71 year old male) they slunk back and left us alone. Covid drove our meeting to online and post Covid we have continued as both and in person and zoom meetings and we host participants from all round the world. We lost Helen to cancer in 2022.
Today Secular meetings are listed under their own heading in Australia and the last several National Conventions have featured secular meetings. On the surface it almost looks like inclusiveness is the order of the day. I was naive enough to start to believe that was the case until I became involved in AA politics and realized that it is there is little more than reluctant tolerance of secular AA. It doesn’t really matter what the hierarchy (and yes there is a hierarchy) tries to pretend, little has changed in AA. Secular newcomers are still being turned away in droves.
In Australia in recent years a pamphlet created by secular people for secular people was created and distributed around secular groups. It was resolved that that pamphlet be presented to the AA Conference to become “Conference Approved”. I attended when our local area met to consider this proposal. As a co-author I saw myself I felt I could answer any questions about the pamphlet. Instead, I found myself under attack and defending the very right of secular AA groups to exist at all, a battle which I was naive enough to believe had been fought and won.
The motion was defeated at the conference, but it was decided that there should be such a pamphlet but it should be written and designed by people appointed of the Conference. The process is ongoing and I’ve heard that a secular member has managed to have some say in the finished product and it may not be a total loss. Given the pace with which AA moves and the fact that I’m now 77 I have little confidence in living to see the outcome.
Given the speed with which AA is inevitably moving towards the precipice of total irrelevance by insisting on imposing 1930’s thinking in the 21st century I doubt if it can continue in its present form for more than another decade or so.
I had long been a proponent of the school of thought that secular AA should exist under the umbrella of AA. I was a secular member of a secular AA group (secular being an adjective not a title). I now think that the best way we can be of service to the non-theist who seeks our help is to shake off the shackles of an organization which has lost its way and forge our own path.
The difficulty of course with this is that traditional AA owns the “brand” and so long as the fundamentalists hold sway I can’t see this happening.
I think Bill Wilson deserves the last word on this from his speech at the General Service Conference 1965.
“Our very first concern should be with those sufferers that we are still unable to reach… Newcomers are approaching us at the rate of tens of thousands yearly. They represent almost every belief and attitude imaginable. We have atheists and agnostics. We have people of nearly every race, culture and religion. How much and how often did we fail them?”
I think Bill would be turning in his grave.
Mick was born in rural Victoria, Australia in 1947. At an early age he resolved never to work where he couldn’t see the sun for most of the day and a life spent largely behind the wheel of a long haul truck was the outcome. He did manage to spend some time at home as is evidenced by his 6 children, 11 grandchildren and 4 great grandchildren. Today he is retired in subtropical Brisbane Queensland with his wife, Joan, and two Cocker Spaniels, Joe and Charlie, and most of his family live within an hour’s drive. His experience of 2 introductions to AA 40 odd years apart qualifies him to draw comparisons between AA “then” and “now” and he’s no fan of the modern iteration.
For a PDF of this article, click here: AA Then and Now.
Brilliant and needed.
I appreciate the “commendable thought process” comment, as that well describes my approach to the “Lord’s Prayer” that a lot of our meetings end with.
The rest troubles me because i know of two people who were turned off by the overwhelmingly western Christian ideology in the rooms, both of whom ended up drinking themselves to death. I too have taken the approach of offering the counter view when members preach their curious gospel, but I only attend six meetings a week in a town with over 100 per week. We have one quasi-secular meeting, but it isn’t on the local AA schedule. Maybe the time has come for a wholly secular meeting, and the fight that will ensue trying to get it on the schedule. “Grant me the serenity to limit my use of the ‘f’ bomb when addressing the christian soldiers…”
Thanks for the kind words Cron. In preparation for your battle to get your proposed meeting listed, may I suggest that you familiarise yourself with the history of the Toronto Secular groups with their intergroup from about 2011. They set a precedent which has served other secular groups well when faced with that sort of opposition. Helen M, to whom I referred in my article, had to threaten to “do a Toronto” on the local CSO to get her meeting listed. When we came to list our Bulimba meeting not long after the hierarchy didn’t even try their nonsense.
Thanks. I remember following that story as it developed via the AAagnostica website. It always amazes me the lengths to which some will go to preserve what they believe to be the doctrinal inerrancy of the “aa approved literature” and how that has been applied in meetings by the more fundamentalist groups.
Hi Mick. I thoroughly enjoyed your story. I remember the AA of your early days. It was a wonderful fellowship in those days. I’m talking about the early to mid 80’s Everyone was welcome then and no one was too hung up on members who were atheists and Agnostics. Sadly, these days, with religious fundamentalism now a reality on the AA landscape, the sense of all-inclusive fellowship is gradually disappearing.
With regard to an AA pamphlet for atheists and Agnostics in AA, a secular group in London UK was successful in getting the AA conference to approve it. If you put The “God” word into Google, it should come up. I write blogs for Atheists and Agnostics and post them on all kinds of forums for alcoholics in recovery. You probably won’t be surprised, to hear, that I have come under frequent and bitter attacks from religious fundamentalists. I have learned not to react to them. They prefer conflict and can’t stand being ignored.
Thanks again for you very interesting story. It was a very enjoyable read for me and certainly a trip down memory lane
Have a great 24 hours Mick 🙏🌹🙏
Great article, Mick! I agree, Bill would be horrified at the attitude of some traditionalists. Inclusiveness should be the priority, and AA’s 1930s-era dogma drives away countless suffering alcoholics who could benefit from the program.
I concur with other comments; this is heartfelt, candid, and covers a good bit of AA history. Thank you, Mick.
Navigating a General Service Conference (and every conference serves a different geography, and USA/Canada GSC, which includes AAWS, doesn’t rule other conferences top-down, so each conference has its own culture) is a challenge and a learning curve anywhere. In USA/Canada getting The “God” Word: Agnostic and Athiest Members in AA (Thank-you Great Britain secular groups + GSC), ended an 11-0 record of requests/rejections since the 1970s. One Big Tent (thanks to Grapevine and all the secular AA members who helped get this booklet out) is another way we have gotten English/French/Spanish and maybe more language messages out that “Believe or Be gone” isn’t true. It is slow, on the one hand, but on the other hand, AAagnostica is as AA AA Grapevine, and AA is not a popularity contest – at least in my General Service Conference, my group’s format and what we read, if anything, doesn’t need to be vetted or approved by anyone.
At least believing (believe or begone) in a prayer-answering, sobriety-granting supernatural force isn’t required. I needed hope that I could do what I had never done before, I had to believe, at least hope that AA could work, even if just for one more day. For members who don’t believe sobriety is possible without gods, why not try 90 meetings in 90 days of SMART, Life Ring, Refuge Recovery (Dharma), She Recovers, and Women for Sobriety? We find people not only getting/staying sober, but tools and rituals that look somewhat different that 12-steps also. But community, hope, empowerment, and other characteristics similar to AA exist in these places.
Mick, you point out that our culture was different 50 years ago. While the notion that every meeting is different has been true since there was only one meeting in NYC and one in Akron, what you and anyone who was around way back when have lived through is fundamentalism in AA, Big Book especially, which, while alive and well, may have peaked out and moving to the middle now, or at least a many paths view were fundamentalism and freethinking can coexist in the same AA community.
Are you coming to Orlando (September 20-22)? What a great line-up of panels, speakers, and events! I can’t wait to see some of you there.
Mick, greetings from Vancouver and thanks for the wonderful piece. I think we might have had lunch together in Toronto after the ICSAA conference Also, thank you for your great service work in Australia. As a fellow 77-year old and longtime Alt-AA (haven taken what I liked and left the rest) and more recent supporter of Secular AA I love being reminded that the magic ingredient in AA’s special sauce is us.
Hi Ray. Great to hear from you. Actually we did more than have lunch at Toronto. A week or two later you very kindly picked us up from our hotel in Vancouver and took us to a recovery related fair-type event which we found fascinating , having never seen anything like that in Australia. Whilst keeping quite good health, Joan and I lack the stamina for long flights now so I can’t see us getting to North America again. Kind regards. Mick.
Thanks, Mick! I can relate to experiencing pre-fundamentalist vs. post fundamentalist AA. Unfortunately, we can’t go back. We’ll just keep moving forward.
A perfect AA meeting for me nowadays would be a meeting where we could smoke marijuana. I believe Bill W. would appreciate it, as he said AA will evolve with time.
Brought tears to my eyes Mick. The possibility of AA having less members as the world population grows (therefore more people who cannot drink safely), is sad.
The time that it takes for things to change, such as secular (an adjective, as you said) AA meetings to be accepted has been an arduous effort on the part of many of us.
I continue to go to meetings occasionally, very involved for 35 years and now 36… letting go of “doing” a lot. I am always met with connection and appreciation when in sharing I talk about my secular approach and practice of the principles of AA. So… I continue to show up.
I’m not going to give up hope.
Wish I could be in Orlando this month!
Teresa J. in Monterey CA
I live just outside of the birthplace of AA, Akron, OH. I am, I guess technically, an old-timer. I’ve been sober a little of 37 years. I was actually introduced to AA in 1978, but have been continuously sober since 1987. I have attended a lot of different meetings between those in the Akron area and the Cleveland area. I know I am very blessed to have had access to so many over the years. I have never been to the oldest one but I have meet people who knew Dr. Bob personally. I was told by one such member that at one time Henrietta Seiberling stuck her finger in Dr. Bob’s face and said they would regret the changes from the Oxford group they wanted to make. As you can see, they survived just fine. I totally understand the feelings of those who are turned off by the “religious angle” presented by some members of AA. There are many of us who actively attend AA meetings and work the 12 steps to the best of our ability who do NOT subscribe to the Christian concept of a higher power. Anyone in the program who tells you that you can’t stay sober without this belief has misunderstood the big book and the 12 traditions. I won’t hash it here other than to say what works for me may not work for you, and vice a versa. Any two people who wish to call themselves an AA group may do so, as long as they do not interfere with other groups. Only an individual can identify themselves as alcoholic and the only requirement for membership is a “desire” to stop drinking. Lastly, I think those who are ringing the death knoll for AA are doing so a little prematurely. Around these parts there are still a lot of meetings and a lot of people attending.
Thanks for the story Mick. AA is a bastion of a religious message that needs to change to stay appealing to newcomers.
Not everyone wants a religious message in their recovery, not even all theists.
Spirituality can focus on the known, love, hope, compassion, and doesn’t have to involve the Supernatural.
The 5th Edition of the Bigga Booka is coming next year, essentially unchanged from the current version. TO WIVES and TO AGNOSTICS will be with us in all their glory for another 20 or 25 years (at a minimum). While some small progress has been made, the absolute reluctance to alter the sacred words of 1939 will take AA to a position of complete irrelevance.
Will there be lesson learned? Fraid not. Fundies will be decrying the change of ”men and women” to ”people” that precipitated the downward slide.
Great article. I’m using “The Alternative 12 Steps” with a sponsee right now and just loaned my copy to a woman I sponsor and gave copies of the Step 3 chapter to her and to one of her sponsees. I’m a huge reader and have been sober for a long time (49 years). I’m retired and still active in AA. I’ve also started going to some NA meetings because almost all of our young members are addicted to more than alcohol and I want to be knowledgeable about their experience so I am better able to talk to them about recovery in broader language. Sponsoring young people over the years has led me to reading more about secular recovery and agnostic/atheist recovery, too. I’m very invested in my belief that AA should be and can be open to everyone who wants to stop drinking, no matter what their spiritual beliefs might be, and I try hard to meet them where they are and show them they don’t have to be practicing Christians to be members and use the 12 Steps to recover. I want to learn and grow so I can help them to learn and grow if that’s the path they choose. My own spirituality continues to evolve and I understand it less and less every day. It’s far greater than anything I can name or put in a convenient box to label. It’s also far more loving and available and forgiving than anything I could have imagined. Learning and experiencing this has been perhaps the greatest — and most unexpected — gift of my sobriety, and it is ongoing.
Hi Mick;
Thanks for the story and the observation that secular AA is still a tough sell in much of the US and apparently Australia.
I believe I met Helen at the end of the rail link north of Brisbane in 2017. After a couple of hours waiting around a park building for someone to show up I finally got bold enough to ask a lady just putting her dogs into a car if she might have been there for a meeting. Turned out she was and we talked on a bench in the pavilion with those dogs till dark. I darned near did not get back to the train in time and got the last one of the night in a rain storm.
Since I spent almost two months visiting areas on the E coast I was regularly looking for every listed AA meeting available and may have met you’re quite large group in Melbourne. In the living room of a house there were probably nearly 20 people there. I’d ridden my rented bike over there the day before and did make that meeting just a few minutes late.
Trying to find secular meetings to visit is quite a challenge in the US, Canada and Australia. But for me gives a worthwhile subtext to the idea of travelling and finding places where people really live and work and play. Most are small but all feel like home to an atheist in AA. Like you, I’m not certain we will manage to attain or perhaps I mean retain, critical mass within AA as so many have quite reasonably moved to another similar group as mentioned by Joe above. But I’m still fighting for it as there is no real alternative in smaller cities around the US. It’s either AA or nothing out here. Secular AA is important.
Currently in Tennessee enroute Orlando. See some of you there.
Thanks for your interesting and well-crafted story. A friend of mine is 33 years sober — we have the same date. Earlier, he had gotten sober at 19 and stayed that way for 12 years until a relapse that lasted 3 years. Yours and his are unusual tales.
It’s hard to not get frustrated with AA. I almost quit the whole deal after Toronto Intergroup booted out the 2 agnostic groups and defeated a motion to relist them.
The changes I’ve seen are due primarily to two things: 1) Joe and Charlie (no offence to your dogs); 2) atheists and agnostics coming out of the closet in numbers.
There has definitely been a polarization. When I came in, virtually no one was touting the Bigga Booka as a sacred text. In my area, the 12 & 12 could easily have been seen as the Numero Uno propaganda piece.